Myers Briggs Errors?
User Diashanti asks - “what is the difference between feelings and intuitions, same thing, no?” No. Feeling and Intuition, feelings are more like an emotional state, happy/sad, in touch/out of touch, connecting, stuff like that, think more emotions. Intuition is more of knowledge understanding, and then there’s varying degrees between the two.
Someone like an INFJ (Ni Fe Ti Se) who is very in touch with their intuition they’re also very in touch with their with their feelings, so their intuition is a lot of times speaking to them through feeling . Someone like an INTJ (Ni Te Fi Se) is also in touch with their intuition, but it’s coming out through kind of knowledge or thinking. So the INTJ, they’re knowing information as if they read a book on it and the ideas are coming to them and they’re accessing knowledge without technically knowing it from an outside source (Ni- big picture driven, connects existing ideas, pattern seekers, simplifies idea to the core).
Basically, the intuition is processing information, giving the person knowlege/understanding. So when you get a good combo like an INFJ, they’re known as really the most intuitive types, because they have strong feeling and strong intuition, the intuition can speak louder through that feeling.
DiaShanti continues - “I thought the feeling part of the letter combo had to do with making decisions based on feeling rather than logic, no?” No. So, you’re finding the errors in the Meyers Briggs system and that’s it right there. That’s why there’s so much confusion online about this stuff. Because the Meyers Briggs system over-simplifies it, and paints a lot of problems when it starts classifying people as feelers or thinkers and you make decisions based on feelings and thinking. That is completely…let’s go with wrong.
We are all feelers, we are all thinkers, technically we all make decisions based on emotions - even lead thinkers, and being a feeler or thinker doesn’t necessarily define the dominant part of our type. Meaning, according to the Meyers Briggs letters you can have someone like an ENFP - they tend to be greater thinkers then let’s say, ESTP. And people, back me up here. ENFPs that you know versus ESTPs that you know, who can really process stuff more logically, a lot of the time it’s the ENFP.
Because what’s really going on is this - you gotta really ask what type of thinker or feeler are you? Are you introverted type or an extroverted type, meaning is your thinking process done best internally where you’re digging into one or two idea very deeply for a prolongued period of time, or is your thinking type more external where you bounce from idea to idea and look at a bunch of different ideas that all interconnect without going to deep in any one. Notice that you can be an introvert, like an INTJ and you’re an extroverted thinker, so it has to do with the functions not the letters (Te: When you have to talk your ideas out loud and then execute!).
Also you gotta know, what are you using that feeling or thinking for? What is it kind of tied to your temperament? Are you using that thinking and feeling because you’re an intuitive, or a sensor or what are you thinking and feeling about? Bottom line is there’s so many different types of types and levels of thinkers and feelers, which we are all a combination of.
Next part of the question, “Sometimes when people talk about FEELERS they sound like they’re talking about their being sensitive toward others rather than making emotional decisions” Yes that you’ve got you’re finger on the introvert and extrovert feeler. The ones that are sensitive toward others, that’s the Extroverted Feeler (Fe: express their emotions outwardly, values harmony, sensitive to criticism).
Now you look at an ENFJ/ESFJ, these are lead extrovert feelers. There are 8 Extroverted feelers that have it in their second third or fourth function. And so those are…think of it like a radio receiver, their dial is turned more up, they’re listening and taking in your facial expression, your mood, your tone. They’re picking up the other persons emotion, they’re also transmitting back out through emotional states so when they’re communicating to you the extrovert feeler really wants you to get the mood and the feel that they’re feeling.
Introverted Feelers, lead introvert feelers ISFP/INFP and there’s eight total introverted feelers with varying degrees (Fi: Conceals emotions, values identity, in touch with their own feelings over others) . They’re not really caring as much about your mood or your state or what you’re transmitting. They’re hearing the louder wave of how they’re feeling, how they’re interpreting, what makes sense to them, what their emotional state is. Generally speaking. And of course we’re all a combination of everything ‘cause we’re not robots.
So good job, you’ve got your finger on that, the introverted feeler, the extroverted feeler. Again, this is where Meyers and Briggs have cause more trouble than good by labeling all Feelers in one big group, when that’s just not the way that it works. It’s not consistent with reality.
Uh oh. “I don’t believe feelers are more caring, because sometimes it’s about meeting their own needs based on their feelings. It’s confusing.” Yea see, there you go. That’s the introverted feelers. More concerned about meeting their own feelings, and guess what, they come across as jerks (Fi: When you feel strongly no matter how others feel). Especially someone that has strong introverted feeling in their first or second function, if they don’t learn how to turn that outward a little bit, they can be very narcissistic, very into their own feeling, and out of touch with your own, and they just come across as stuck up, into themselves type people.
Now they’re not necessarily that way, but they’re just not letting any of their feelings out and people don’t know how they’re truly feeling about stuff, cause they’re suck stink’n introverted feelers.
A lot of it has to do with the individual and other factors of their total personality make up, and just what they choose to do in life. You can have thinkers that are FAR FAR more caring about others, especially like an ENTJ often can be very caring of others because they have the big intuition, they are extroverts, and they can see even though that feeling is so small in their function list “hey you know what, I really should be nicer to people and care about them and have an emotional connection back and forth, because that’s going to be better for everyone in life”
So DiaShanti, you have your finger on exactly the confusion and the problems that everyone’s having with the Meyers Briggs system, so good job seeing that. And also you’re doing exactly what we should be doing, looking at your videos and stuff, you’re an NTJ type but you’re developing your NF, you’re developing in touch with your own feelings and the feelings of others and your intuition. That’s the game. What are you actually good at, what are your weaknesses, and how can you start developing your strengths, leading with those, as well as covering your weaknesses and partnering with others that can help us and compliment us with that kind of stuff.
**Extroverted Feelers (Fe)**
ESFJ - ENFJ - INFJ - ISFJ -INTP - ENTP - ISTP - ESTP
**Introverted Feelers (Fi)**
ISFP - INFP - ESFP - ENFP -ISTJ - INTJ - ESTJ - ENTJ